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misterxWhat do we do when we run out of retiree reservists? Why, we start up the draft again, except one better. We make miliary service compulsory for all Americans. Yes, your daughters too. Get ready, they're working on it. It's called the Universal National Service Act of 2003. How many people have heard of this? Reckon they want a nice quiet vote?
http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/29/mandatory.military/
http://congress.org/congressorg/issues/bills/?billnum=S.89&congress=108 **note, not the official congress
http://hollings.senate.gov/~hollings/materials/2003127636.html
http://www.house.gov/stark/documents/108th/univdraftstate.html
I also read a website that states this is planned for a Spring 2005 rollout, and that "draft board positions, 15,000 of them, are being filled across the country", but he provided no supplementary documentation of these assertions. I've emailed the author requestion sources/backup of his facts.
Interestingly some of the political support for this has an anti-war point of view. They believe that if everyone's sons and daughters will have to serve, they will be less likely to support wars and police actions abroard. There is probably some truth to that.
Anyone with some facts/documentation to add is very welcome.
UPDATE:
Official links to these bills:
Senate http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:S.89:
House http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR00163:
Note that most recent action on the house version was 6/21/04 (!) when Representative Norton withdrew as a co-sponsor. That still leaves 14 others:
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR00163:@@@P
Full text of Senate version:
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.89:
Full text of House version:
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.163:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/29/mandatory.military/
http://congress.org/congressorg/issues/bills/?billnum=S.89&congress=108 **note, not the official congress
http://hollings.senate.gov/~hollings/materials/2003127636.html
http://www.house.gov/stark/documents/108th/univdraftstate.html
I also read a website that states this is planned for a Spring 2005 rollout, and that "draft board positions, 15,000 of them, are being filled across the country", but he provided no supplementary documentation of these assertions. I've emailed the author requestion sources/backup of his facts.
Interestingly some of the political support for this has an anti-war point of view. They believe that if everyone's sons and daughters will have to serve, they will be less likely to support wars and police actions abroard. There is probably some truth to that.
Anyone with some facts/documentation to add is very welcome.
UPDATE:
Official links to these bills:
Senate http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:S.89:
House http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR00163:
Note that most recent action on the house version was 6/21/04 (!) when Representative Norton withdrew as a co-sponsor. That still leaves 14 others:
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR00163:@@@P
Full text of Senate version:
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.89:
Full text of House version:
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.163:
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on 2004-07-01 11:34 am (UTC)no subject
on 2004-07-01 11:34 am (UTC)no subject
on 2004-07-01 11:37 am (UTC)no subject
on 2004-07-01 11:39 am (UTC)dunno. i guess i was just pointing out that there are some perfectly civilized countries out there who have been doing this forever.
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on 2004-07-01 11:45 am (UTC)Afghanistan
• Any and all men above the age of 18 for as long as needed.
Albania
• Any and all men above the age of 18 for one to three years depending on the branch of the armed forces.
Algeria
• Any and all men above the age of 19 for six months (or longer if needed).
Angola
• Any and all men from 18 to 50 (some reports put the youngest age at 16). Women of the same age ranges with "special qualifications of interest to the armed forces." Note: those over 30 serve only in the reserve force. No mandated minimum or maximum length of service.
Bolivia
• Any and all men between the ages of 19 and 21 for one year (or more in times of war).
Cambodia
• Any and all men above the age of 18 for three years, extendable by an additional six months if needed.
Chile
• Both men and women must register at the age of 18 and may be called up anytime between the ages of 19 and 30 for up to two years of service.
China
• Men aged 18 to 22 may be drafted into the army at any time; men aged 18 to 35 may be drafted into the militia, or into the army during wartime. Term of service varies from between two and four years.
Colombia
• Any and all males between the ages of 18 and 50 for one to two years.
Cuba
• Any and all men over the age of 16 and under 50 for three years.
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
• Any and all men over the age of 16 and under 50 from 30 to 36 months.
Dominican Republic
• Any and all men at or above the age of 18. No mandated minimum or maximum length of service.
Ecuador
• Any and all men at or above the age of 19 for one year.
Egypt
• Any and all men between 18 and 30 for three years.
El Salvador
• Unmarried men between the ages of 18 and 20 who are members of poorer socio-economic groups. No mandated minimum or maximum length of service.
Equatorial Guinea
• Any and all men at or above the age of 18. No mandated minimum or maximum length of service.
Estonia
• All men above the age of 18 are liable for compulsory military service, but at the age of 17 a man can start the compulsory military service as a volunteer. In the case of early voluntary service, the law gives a man the possibility of choosing the place where he wants to serve. From the ages of 18 to 27, every young man has to perform active service. Service terms from 9 to 12 months.
Ethiopia
• Men between the ages of 18 and 30, although there are reports of juveniles as young as 12 being conscripted. Obligation to perform reserve duties from the age of 30 to the age of 50. Service terms from 12 to 18 months.
Greece
• Any and all men between the ages of 18 and 40. Service terms as follows: 21 months in the army, 23 months in the air force and 25 months in the navy.
Guatemala
• Men between the ages of 18 and 30: heads of families and middle-class students are usually exempt. Service term is 30 months.
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on 2004-07-01 11:47 am (UTC)• Any and all men at or above the age of 18. No mandated minimum or maximum length of service.
Honduras
• Any and all men between the ages of 18 and 30 with voluntary service being permitted at 17. Service term is 2 years.
Georgia
• Unknown ages, service is for two years.
Guinea
• Any and all men between the ages of 18 and 30 for two years.
Iran (Islamic Republic of)
• Any and all men at or over the age of 18 for a two year active service with lifetime reserve service.
Iraq
• Any and all men at or over the age of 19 with voluntary service allowed at 18. Term of service; two year active service with lifetime reserve service.
Israel
• Men and women over 18, with non-Druze Israeli Arabs and Druze women exempted. Service term: three years for men and two years for women, plus reserve duty of about one month in every year until the age of 54.
Kazakstan
• Unknown ages with unknown length of service.
Lao People's Democratic
• Any and all males over the age of 15 for an 18 month term.
Republic of Lebanon
• Any and all men at or over the age of 18. No mandated minimum or maximum length of service.
Liberia
• Unknown ages with unknown term of service.
Libyan Arab Jamahirya
• Men and women between the ages of 18 and 35 for a three to four year term.
Madagascar
• Unknown ages with unknown term of service.
Mexico
• Any and all men between the ages of 18 and 40 for one year.
Mongolia
• Any and all men at or over 18 for two years.
Morocco
• Any and all men at or over 18 for 18 months.
Mozambique
• Any and all men between 18 and 30 for two years.
Paraguay
• Any and all men over 18 years of age; women of the same ages as non-combatants during international (world) war for terms of 18 to 24 months.
Peru
• All men over 18 and with voluntary service permitted at 16 years of age for two year terms.
Philippines
• Any and all men at or over 18. No mandated minimum or maximum length of service.
Republic of Korea
• Any and all men at or over 18 from 30 to 36 months.
Romania
• Any and all men between 20 and 35. Service terms are as follows; 12 months infantry, 18 months in the navy, university graduates only have to serve for 6 months.
Singapore
• Unknown age requirements. Service is for two years' ordinary military service with an additional three years' officer training (if elected).
Somalia
• Any and all men aged between 18 and 40; women aged between 18 and 30 (although in practice women are not normally drafted). Service terms as follows: two years general service (only 18 months for graduates of higher educational institutions).
Sudan
• Unknown ages with unknown term of service.
Thailand
• Unknown ages with unknown term of service.
Tunisia
• Any and all men over the age of 20 and with voluntary service permitted at 18, unknown term of service.
Turkey
• Any an all men between 20 and 65 (in practice men over 46 years of age are no longer called up) for 18 months.
Venezuela
• Any and all men at or over 18 for two years.
Viet Nam
• Any and all men at or over 18 for three years.
Yemen
• Unknown ages for terms of two to three years.
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on 2004-07-01 12:38 pm (UTC)kinda scary isn't it...
then again...
most of these countries have no threating military to begin with...
so it's kinda like they are training for nothing...
being the "powerhouse" we are [stating that losely these days]...
it's sad that it might come to this...
do we feel we will be headed for war after war...
wtf?
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on 2004-07-01 11:50 am (UTC)no subject
on 2004-07-01 11:52 am (UTC)no subject
on 2004-07-01 11:53 am (UTC)no subject
on 2004-07-01 11:56 am (UTC)no subject
on 2004-07-01 12:26 pm (UTC)no subject
on 2004-07-01 12:35 pm (UTC)hell, they call it lil America in some parts...
i'm getting so sad to call myself an American...
*sighs*
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on 2004-07-01 12:37 pm (UTC)I say that all the time, but looking at it typed, I bet that's poor grammar.
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on 2004-07-01 12:40 pm (UTC)it doesn't look good typed or said a loud...
but times are changing...
and it's sad to see...
not for the better...
..."and they don't come from the kids and members of Congress"
on 2004-07-01 12:34 pm (UTC)these articles are great and i thank you for sharing...
hope my short opinion
Re: ..."and they don't come from the kids and members of Congress"
on 2004-07-01 12:50 pm (UTC)Re: ..."and they don't come from the kids and members of Congress"
on 2004-07-01 12:51 pm (UTC)OH FUCK!
on 2004-07-01 12:45 pm (UTC)what made me sick to my stomach...
[as full as it is]
was when there was an actual congress men...
[*ugh* so much info out of this Doc-u i can't remember all the names and such, which makes me want to see it again, so i can]
admitted that [paraphrasing] NO ONE ACTUALLY READS THESE BILLS, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO GET ANYTHING ACCOMPLISHED, OUR LAWMAKING WOULD TAKE FOREVER IF EACH MEMBER OF CONGRESS ACTUALLY READ EVERY PAGE AND EVERY BILL PUT BEFORE THEM
now that is just scary and insane...
Re: OH FUCK!
on 2004-07-01 12:53 pm (UTC)One has to quesiton if passing laws without understanding what you are approving is a worthwhile accomplishment.
Re: OH FUCK!
on 2004-07-01 12:55 pm (UTC)Re: OH FUCK!
on 2004-07-01 01:53 pm (UTC)Re: OH FUCK!
on 2004-07-01 02:04 pm (UTC)Maybe they just vote from the heart. Maybe it's congressional intuition.
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on 2004-07-01 01:04 pm (UTC)no subject
on 2004-07-01 02:38 pm (UTC)That's not to say there won't be a draft, nor that Dubya won't be behind it, but this bill has nothing to do with him. On the other hand, he's a pretty warmongering-type fellow, and if he keeps following that trend, the draft *will* need to be reinstated to keep him supplied with bodies. But his advisors aren't stupid enough to let him start up a draft (or try) before the election.
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on 2004-07-01 04:49 pm (UTC)It might be that the intent was to discourage warmongering by making sure every family risked losing a son or daughter, making voters think twice before picking someone who favored military action. I think it could back fire though. If we have another "pearl harbor" attack, there might be the impetus and the nationalism to railroad this bill through. And then it would be just like you said, a steady supply of bodies for Dubya. (assuming he says in office)